Energy Cast Podcast: The value of vanadium

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My guest believes lithium ion batteries are better for energy-dense applications like electric vehicles, although some companies out there are trying to use flow batteries for EVs.

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I first became aware of flow batteries during my discussion with the Energy Storage Association in Episode 49.  Unlike lithium ion batteries which get their electrical charge from a solid, like lithium, flow batteries carry a charge between two electrolytes filled with dissolved solids.  The result is a less energy-dense battery, but one that endure nearly indefinite cycles.

“The vanadium that was around for millions of years doesn’t transform,” says my guest, Invinity Energy Systems CEO Larry Zulch.  Larry formerly ran Avalon Battery, which merged with Invinity in April 2020.

Invinity’s design is the vanadium flow battery, which leverages electrolytes of vanadium in different oxidation states to shed electrons and produce energy.  Larry says vanadium batteries have been around for decades, but believes Invinity’s new venture has produced the world’s first commercial-grade unit.

“It’s really easy to put together a vanadium flow battery,” he says. “But to get it to work well, and reliably over long periods of time, that is a different proposition.”

These batteries’ ability to cycle indefinitely with no degradation is their biggest selling point.  Solar farms and other renewable energy producers are ideal clients.

“The place where we’re seeing a lot in interest in our flow batteries are times when there are 2-4 cycles a day,” he says.  “Cycles is a big advantage that we have over the alternative because there’s no limit to how many cycles you can do.”

The drawback, Larry says, is that flow batteries like his are less energy dense than lithium ion batteries.  When I asked him about the potential of flow batteries for electric vehicles, he believes lithium ion batteries are superior.

Larry says their vanadium electrolyte is so resilient, they actually rent the electrolyte to clients.  In one case, they transferred 10-year-old electrolyte to a new facility.

He adds that vanadium is also plentiful, more abundant in the earth’s crust as copper.  And while the element has been used for tool hardening, Larry believes the market can expand.

“Once we start creating a true alternate market for vanadium, we see that there will be an increased production of it,” he says.  “We’ve been told there’s as much vanadium as we can use.” (This podcast originally aired in July 2020).


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Jay Dauenhauer is a project manager based in Charlotte, NC. He currently serves as a PM developing transmission projects. For the past 7 years, Jay led water treatment and recycling projects for Oil & Gas operations. Jay's first foray in the energy sector was as a media analyst for TXU Energy during the $45B leveraged buyout of that utility in 2007. He then served as Executive Director of the Clean Coal Technology Foundation of Texas, working with stakeholders to pass clean energy legislation for the state. A Louisiana native and proud graduate of LSU, his career began as a TV news producer before transitioning into the energy sector. Back behind the mic, Jay hopes to bring his experience working across several energy sectors to you in a program designed to be accessible to both the public and industry insiders.

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